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Contact us at editors@timecomDonald Trump and Hillary Clinton squared off on military and veterans issues in separate appearances at a “commander in chief” forum in New York Hosted by NBC the event was held on the decommissioned USS Intrepid now a floating museum Today show anchor Matt Lauer was the moderator Here is a full transcript of the event LAUER: Good evening everyone from the Carrier Intrepid here in New York City In just a couple of short months Americans are going to vote in a critical election Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are vying not only to become president of the United States but one of them will become the leader of the most potent military force the world has ever seen I’m standing in a place where I can actually see the site of the World Trade Center Fifteen years ago this week the worst terror attack on American soil changed the world and launched this nation into years of war Tonight’s forum is a great opportunity for these nominees to talk about national security and the complex global issues that face our nation And they’ll get to tell you why they are ready for the role of commander-in-chief (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) KENNEDY: It shall be the policy of this nation to regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States JOHNSON: I have today ordered to Vietnam the Air Mobile Division REAGAN: Air and naval forces of the United States launched a series of strikes against the headquarters and military assets that support Moammar Gadhafi GEORGE HW BUSH: No president can easily commit our sons and daughters to war BILL CLINTON: We can and will succeed because our mission is clear and our troops are strong GEORGE W BUSH: I can hear you The rest of the world hears you And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon OBAMA: I can report to the American people the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden the leader of Al Qaida (END VIDEO CLIP) ANNOUNCER: The Commander-in-Chief Forum live from the Carrier Intrepid in New York Here now is Matt Lauer LAUER: Good evening everyone The decisions a commander-in- chief makes can have a profound and lasting impact on all Americans but none more so than the brave men and women who serve fight and die for our country What makes tonight’s forum unique some of the questions will be asked by US military veterans who are in our audience The presidential nominees will appear back-to-back tonight After a coin toss yesterday won by Mr Trump he chose to go second So that means we begin tonight with the Democratic nominee for president Ladies and gentlemen please welcome Hillary Clinton (APPLAUSE) CLINTON: Matt how are you Good to see you Thank you Hi How are you LAUER: Good to have you (APPLAUSE) Nice to see you Good evening CLINTON: Thank you very much I’m happy you’re doing this LAUER: Let me — thank you very much I’m happy to be here Let me ask you something ahead of time that I’ll ask Mr Trump in a half an hour To the best of your ability tonight can we talk about your qualities and your qualifications to be commander-in-chief and not use this as an opportunity to attack Mr Trump all right And I’ll ask him the exact same thing CLINTON: I think that’s an exactly right way to proceed LAUER: OK CLINTON: This is a very important decision for our country And each of us should be presenting our experience our expertise and our plans to protect and defend the United States and our allies around the world LAUER: What is the most important characteristic that a commander-in-chief can possess CLINTON: Steadiness An absolute rock steadiness and mixed with strength to be able to make the hard decisions Because I’ve had the unique experience of watching and working with several presidents And these are not easy decisions If they were they wouldn’t get to the president in the first place And when you’re sitting in the Situation Room as I have on numerous occasions particularly with respect to determining whether to recommend the raid against bin Laden what you want in a president a commander-in-chief is someone who listens who evaluates what is being told to him or her who is able to sort out the very difficult options being presented… LAUER: You’re talking about judgment CLINTON: … and then makes the decision Makes the decision that’s right LAUER: So judgment is a key CLINTON: Temperament and judgment yes LAUER: The word “judgment” has been used a lot around you Secretary Clinton over the last year-and-a-half and in particular concerning your use of your personal e-mail and server to communicate while you were secretary of state You’ve said it’s a mistake CLINTON: Mm-hmm LAUER: You said you made not the best choice You were communicating on highly sensitive topics Why wasn’t it more than a mistake Why wasn’t it disqualifying if you want to be commander-in- chief CLINTON: Well Matt first of all as I have said repeatedly it was a mistake to have a personal account I would certainly not do it again I make no excuses for it It was something that should not have been done But the real question is the handling of classified material which is I think what the implication of your question was And for all the viewers watching you tonight I have a lot of experience dealing with classified material starting when I was on the Senate Armed Services Committee going into the four years as secretary of state Classified material has a header which says “top secret” “secret” “confidential” Nothing — and I will repeat this and this is verified in the report by the Department of Justice — none of the e-mails sent or received by me had such a header LAUER: Were some of the e-mails sent or received by you referring to our drone program our covert drone program CLINTON: Yes because — of course there were no discussions of any of the covert actions in process being determined about whether or not to go forward But every part of our government had to deal with questions and the secretary of state’s office was first and foremost So there are ways of talking about the drone program… (CROSSTALK) LAUER: And you said you thought your communications on that were fairly routine CLINTON: Well let me say the FBI just released their report about their investigation they discussed drone matters in the unclassified section of their report LAUER: But Director Comey also said this after reviewing all the information He said there is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation CLINTON: Well Matt I just respectfully point to the hundreds of experienced foreign policy experts diplomats defense officials who were communicating information on the unclassified system because it was necessary to answer questions and to be able publicly to go as far as we could which was not acknowledging the program But I would be in Pakistan as I was on several occasions There might very well have been a strike I would be asked in a public setting in an interview about it It was known to have happened We had to have an answer that did not move into classified area And I think we handled that appropriately LAUER: You mentioned you’re in Pakistan Some of the e-mails you sent and received happened while you were overseas And Director Comey also said that while they have no proof we assessed that it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail accounts CLINTON: Matt there is no evidence Of course anything is possible But what is factual is the State Department system was hacked Most of the government systems are way behind the curve We’ve had hacking repeatedly even in the White House There is no evidence my system was hacked LAUER: Let us bring in Hallie Jackson of NBC News who’s been covering this campaign She’s getting questions from our veterans Hallie who are you with JACKSON: Hi Matt I’m with Lieutenant Jon Lester (ph) who will stand with me here He began his military career by enlisting in the Air Force and then switched over to the Navy before he retired where he flew P-3 Orions in Desert Storm and in Desert Shield He’s a Republican and he has this question for you Secretary Clinton CLINTON: Thank you QUESTION: Secretary Clinton thank you very much for coming tonight As a naval flight officer I held a top secret sensitive compartmentalized information clearance And that provided me access to materials and information highly sensitive to our warfighting capabilities Had I communicated this information not following prescribed protocols I would have been prosecuted and imprisoned Secretary Clinton how can you expect those such as myself who were and are entrusted with America’s most sensitive information to have any confidence in your leadership as president when you clearly corrupted our national security CLINTON: Well I appreciate your concern and also your experience But let me try to make the distinctions that I think are important for me to answer your question First as I said to Matt you know and I know classified material is designated It is marked There is a header so that there is no dispute at all that what is being communicated to or from someone who has that access is marked classified And what we have here is the use of an unclassified system by hundreds of people in our government to send information that was not marked there were no headers there was no statement top secret secret or confidential I communicated about classified material on a wholly separate system I took it very seriously When I traveled I went into one of those little tents that I’m sure you’ve seen around the world because we didn’t want there to be any potential for someone to have embedded a camera to try to see whatever it is that I was seeing that was designated marked and headed as classified LAUER: Let us… (CROSSTALK) CLINTON: So I did exactly what I should have done and I take it very seriously always have always will LAUER: Sir thank you Thank you very much for your question Secretary Clinton let’s talk about your vote in favor of the war in Iraq You’ve since said it was a mistake CLINTON: Mm-hmm LAUER: Obviously it was not something you said you would do again I asked before for people to raise their hand if you served in Iraq Can you do it again How do you think these people feel when the person running to be their commander-in-chief says her vote to go to war in Iraq was a mistake CLINTON: Look I think that the decision to go to war in Iraq was a mistake And I have said that my voting to give President Bush that authority was from my perspective my mistake I also believe that it is imperative that we learn from the mistakes like after- action reports are supposed to do and so we must learn what led us down that path so that it never happens again I think I’m in the best possible position to be able to understand that and prevent it But I will say this I’m asking to be judged on the totality of my record what I’ve done for our veterans as first lady as senator what I’ve done for Gold Star Families working with them to increase the death benefit from $12000 to $100000 working with Republicans like Lindsey Graham to get TRICARE for our National Guard members who didn’t have health care unless they were deployed working to provide more support for the care of our veterans those who are wounded working with the Fisher family now into the third generation of caring for our fallen heroes working with John McCain to raise money for Brooke Medical Center’s Intrepid Center to take care of those who are coming back with profound injuries working on TBI and PTSD and so much more working with groups to end veteran suicide like TAPS So yes… LAUER: I’m going to get on to that subject in a second CLINTON: There was — there was a mistake Now my opponent was for the war in Iraq He says he wasn’t You can go back and look at the record He supported it He told Howard Stern he supported it So he supported it before it happened he supported it as it was happening and he is on record as supporting it after it happened I have taken responsibility for my decision LAUER: Let me go to another… CLINTON: He refuses to take responsibility for his support That is a judgment issue LAUER: Let me go to another question Hallie JACKSON: (OFF-MIKE) who served in the Air Force for nearly a decade where she was an intelligence specialist specializing in countering violent extremism Like you Secretary Clinton she’s a Democrat and she has this question for you QUESTION: Thank you Secretary Clinton to your point you have had an extensive record with military intervention How do you respond to progressives like myself who worry and have concerns that your hawkish foreign policy will continue And what is your plan to end wasteful war campaigns in which our peers servicewomen and men continue to be killed and wounded CLINTON: Well I assume you’re talking about Iraq because of my vote and you probably are talking about Libya because of the role that I played in the administration’s decision about whether to take on Gadhafi CLINTON: But before I get to that let me say very clearly: I view force as a last resort not a first choice I will do everything in my power to make sure that our men and women in the military are fully prepared for any challenge that they may have to face on our behalf But I will also be as careful as I can in making the most significant decisions any president and commander-in-chief can make about sending our men and women into harm’s way With respect to Libya again there’s no difference between my opponent and myself He’s on record extensively supporting intervention in Libya when Gadhafi was threatening to massacre his population I put together a coalition that included NATO included the Arab League and we were able to save lives We did not lose a single American in that action And I think taking that action was the right decision Not taking it and permitting there to be an ongoing civil war in Libya would have been as dangerous and threatening as what we are now seeing in Syria LAUER: I’m going to jump in Thank you very much for your question Let me ask you about the Iran nuclear deal It was signed under Secretary Kerry; it was begun under you You started those talks CLINTON: Right I did LAUER: You have said you expect the Iranians to cheat you think they’ll buy time and perhaps stay along their course to building a nuclear weapon If they cheat Secretary Clinton will you have any course of action other than a military course of action Would you enter into negotiations with again (ph) Would you go back to economic sanctions knowing they cheated and are then closer to a nuclear weapon CLINTON: Matt look let me put this in context because this is one of the most important strategic questions we face When I became secretary of state the Iranians were on a fast track to acquiring the material necessary to get a nuclear weapon That had happened the prior eight years They mastered the nuclear fuel cycle they built covert facilities they stocked them with centrifuges and they were moving forward What was our decision Our decision was to try to put together an international coalition that included Russia and China to exert the kind of pressure through sanctions that the United States alone could not do LAUER: Right but you’ve said that you think they’re going to cheat… CLINTON: Now wait let me — look this is an important issue I know we’re on TV and we don’t have a lot of time LAUER: I want to get to a lot of questions CLINTON: I will talk quickly But I want people to understand this So yes I put together the coalition We imposed the sanctions We got them to the negotiating table And after I left we got the agreement That agreement put a lid on their nuclear weapons program and imposed intrusive inspections I have said we are going to enforce it to the letter LAUER: Do you think they’re playing us CLINTON: On the nuclear issue no I think we have enough insight into what they’re doing to be able to say we have to distrust but verify What I am focused on is all the other malicious activities of the Iranians — ballistic missiles support for terrorists being involved in Syria Yemen and other places supporting Hezbollah Hamas But here’s the difference Matt I would rather as president be dealing with Iran on all of those issues without having to worry as much about their racing for a nuclear weapon So we have made the world safer; we just have to make sure it’s enforced LAUER: Hallie JACKSON: I’m with Kenneth Anderson (ph) He’s one of our undecided voters here He considers himself an independent He earned the rank of sergeant in the Marine Corps where he was an Arabic translator during three tours in Iraq Kenneth you have a question for Secretary Clinton QUESTION: Yes Secretary Clinton last October you said that surveys of veterans show that they’re overall satisfied with their treatment and that the problems with the VA aren’t as widespread as they’re made out to be So do you think the problems with the VA have been made to seem worse than they really are CLINTON: Look I was outraged by the stories that came out about the VA And I have been very clear about the necessity for doing whatever is required to move the VA into the 21st century to provide the kind of treatment options that our veterans today desperately need and deserve And that’s what I will do as president But I will not let the VA be privatized And I do think there is an agenda out there supported by my opponent to do just that I think that would be very disastrous for our military veterans So I’m going to do everything I can — I’m going to have a meeting every week in the Oval Office We’re going to bring the VA people we’re going to bring the DOD people because we’ve got to have a better fit between getting mustered out and getting into the VA system sometimes — and you probably know this Sergeant — I’ve met so many vets who get mustered out who leave the service they can’t find their records from DOD and those records never make it to the VA They feel like they’re living in a funhouse They have to go over the same things over and over We’re living in a technological world You cannot tell me we can’t do a better job getting that information And so I’m going to focus on this I’m going to work with everybody I’m going to make them work together LAUER: And I’m going to jump in CLINTON: And we’re going to fix the problems in the VA LAUER: Sergeant thank you very much for your question Let’s talk about veterans and suicide CLINTON: Yes let’s please LAUER: It’s an alarming alarming story The population of veterans has a rate of suicide far above the general population CLINTON: Twenty — twenty suicides a day LAUER: What are you going to do to stop it CLINTON: Well this month is Suicide Prevention Awareness Month And I’ve spent a lot of time with family members survivors who’ve lost a loved one after he or she came home sometimes suffering from PTSD or TBI or sexual assault being handed bags of opioids not being given an appropriate treatment to help that particular person which is something to go back to the sergeant’s question we have to change So I rolled out my mental health agenda last week and I have a whole section devoted to veterans’ mental health And we’ve got to remove the stigma We’ve got to help people currently serving not to feel that if they report their sense of unease their depression that somehow it’s going to be a mark against them We have to do more about addiction not only drugs but also alcohol So I have put forth a really robust agenda working with a lot of the VSOs and other groups like TAPS who have been thinking about this and trying to figure out what we’re going to do to help our veterans re-enter civilian life and live full productive lives LAUER: Hallie JACKSON: I’m with Ernie Young Come on up here with me a former Army captain who led troops during tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan He’s an independent voter And you have a question for the secretary QUESTION: Secretary Clinton as an Army veteran a commander-in- chief’s to empathize with servicemembers and their families is important to me The ability to truly understand implications and consequences of your decisions actions or inactions How will you determine when and where to deploy troops directly into harm’s way especially to combat ISIS LAUER: As briefly as you can CLINTON: We have to defeat ISIS That is my highest counterterrorism goal And we’ve got to do it with air power We’ve got to do it with much more support for the Arabs and the Kurds who will fight on the ground against ISIS We have to squeeze them by continuing to support the Iraqi military They’ve taken back Ramadi Fallujah They’ve got to hold them They’ve got to now get into Mosul We’re going to work to make sure that they have the support — they have special forces as you know they have enablers they have surveillance intelligence reconnaissance help They are not going to get ground troops We are not putting ground troops into Iraq ever again And we’re not putting ground troops into Syria We’re going to defeat ISIS without committing American ground troops So those are the kinds of decisions we have to make on a case-by-case basis And remember when I became secretary of state we had 200000 troops deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan And I’m very grateful that we have brought home the vast majority of those We have a residual force as you know in Afghanistan We have built up several thousands of the folks that I’ve talked about who are assisting in the fight against ISIS But it is in our national security interest to defeat ISIS And I intend to make that happen LAUER: Thank you very much for your question CLINTON: And as part of it we’re going after Baghdadi the leader because it will help us focus our attention just like going after bin Laden helped us focus our attention… LAUER: Secretary… CLINTON: … in the fight against Al Qaida in the Afghanistan- Pakistan theater LAUER: Secretary Clinton I am fast running out of time I want to get to one of the concerns just about everybody in this country and that is terror attacks on our soil CLINTON: Right LAUER: Either directed by ISIS or inspired by ISIS Would your message as the next president of the United States or potential next president be to Americans that we simply are living in the reality that those attacks will happen And can you guarantee people that after four years of a Clinton presidency they will be safer on the streets of San Bernardino or Boston than they are today CLINTON: Well Matt I’m going to do everything in my power to make sure that that’s the result I’m not going to you know promise something that I think most thinking Americans know is going to be a huge challenge and here’s why We’ve got to have an intelligence surge We’ve got to get a lot more cooperation out of Europe out of the Middle East We have to do a better job of not only collecting and analyzing the intelligence we do have but distributing it much more quickly down the ladder to state and local law enforcement We also have to do a better job combating ISIS online where they recruit where they radicalize And I don’t think we’re doing as much as we can We need to work with Silicon Valley We need to work with our experts in our government We have got to disrupt we have got to take them on in the arena of ideas that unfortunately pollute and capture the minds of vulnerable people So we need to wage this war against ISIS from the air on the ground and online in cyberspace And here at home for goodness’s sakes we have to finally pass a law prohibiting people on the terrorist watch list from being able to buy a gun in the United States of America So we’ve got work to do I know we can do that work I’m meeting with a group of terror experts counterterrorism experts But I want to just say one additional thing LAUER: I’ve got 30 seconds left CLINTON: Matt Olsen the former director of the National Center on Counterterrorism has a great article out today saying the last thing we need to do is to play into the hands of ISIS Going after American Muslims defaming a Gold Star family the family of Captain Khan making it more difficult for us to have a coalition with Muslim majority nations… LAUER: And we tried to have an agreement… CLINTON: … that is not going to help us to succeed in defeating ISIS and protecting our American homeland LAUER: Secretary Hillary Clinton thank you very much CLINTON: Thank you Thank you all (APPLAUSE) Thank you so much Too short a time LAUER: I know We’re going to take a break We’re going to have much more with her competitor Donald Trump right after this You’re watching NBC News special the Commander-in-Chief Forum (COMMERCIAL BREAK) LAUER: We welcome you back now to this NBC News special the Commander-in-Chief Forum Tonight we’re speaking with the two major party presidential nominees to find out where they stand on the critical issues Now please welcome the Republican nominee for president Donald Trump (APPLAUSE) LAUER: Good to see you TRUMP: Thank you Matt LAUER: Thank you very much for joining us TRUMP: Thank you LAUER: You heard me say to Mrs Clinton Secretary Clinton and it didn’t completely work out toward the end there as much as possible I’d like you to tell our veterans and our people at home why you are prepared for the role of commander-in-chief and try to keep the attacks to a minimum We’ve had a year of that and maybe 60 more days of it TRUMP: To a minimum absolutely LAUER: OK perfect To a minimum I guess that’s a question of definition TRUMP: I guess LAUER: Any time you interview a president sitting or past president they will tell you that the most daunting… TRUMP: Was I supposed to answer this question LAUER: No no no I mean just keep the attacks to a minimum Any time you talk to a president they’ll tell you the most daunting part of the job is the role of commander-in-chief TRUMP: Right LAUER: What have you experienced in your personal life or your professional life that you believe prepares you to make the decisions that a commander-in-chief has to make TRUMP: Well I’ve built a great company I’ve been all over the world I’ve dealt with foreign countries I’ve done very well as an example tremendously well dealing with China and dealing with so many of the countries that are just ripping this country They are just taking advantage of us like nobody’s ever seen before And I’ve had great experience dealing on an international basis I look today and I see Russian planes circling our planes They’re taunting us I see in Iran I see the boats taunting our ships our destroyers and I think… (CROSSTALK) LAUER: But what have you done in your life that prepares you to send men and women of the United States into harm’s way TRUMP: Well I think the main thing is I have great judgment I have good judgment I know what’s going on I’ve called so many of the shots And I happened to hear Hillary Clinton say that I was not against the war in Iraq I was totally against the war in Iraq From a — you can look at Esquire magazine from ’04 You can look at before that And I was against the war in Iraq because I said it’s going to totally destabilize the Middle East which it has It has absolutely been a disastrous war and by the way perhaps almost as bad was the way Barack Obama got out That was a disaster LAUER: People talk about you and commander-in-chief and not just Secretary Clinton but some of your Republican opponents in the primary season and they wonder about your temperament They say does Donald Trump have the temperament to be commander-in-chief You said something recently that I found interesting You admitted that sometimes in the heat of a debate or when you’re talking about a lot of issues you say things that you later regret So can we afford that with a commander-in-chief — to have a commander-in-chief who says things that he later regrets TRUMP: Well when you say regret yeah sure I regret But in the meantime I beat 16 people and here I am So you know to a certain extent there is a regret I would have liked to have done it in a nicer manner But I had 16 very talented people that I had to go through And that was a lot of people LAUER: But when you say… TRUMP: That was a record Matt That was a record in the history of Republican politics I was able to get more votes than anybody ever has gotten in the history of Republican politics LAUER: But when you say inflammatory things… (CROSSTALK) LAUER: … in a presidential campaign it’s different than saying them when you’re commander-in-chief If you say things you regret… TRUMP: I agree with you LAUER: … when you’re commander-in-chief you can spark a conflict you can destabilize a region you can put American lives at risk Can we afford to take that risk with you TRUMP: Well I think absolutely I think if you saw what happened in Mexico the other day where I went there I had great relationships everything else I let them know where the United States stands I mean we’ve been badly hurt by Mexico both on the border and with taking all of our jobs or a big percentage of our jobs And if you look at what happened look at the aftermath today where the people that arranged the trip in Mexico have been forced out of government That’s how well we did LAUER: Back in August… TRUMP: And that’s how well we’re going to have to do Matt LAUER: Back in August when you admitted that you regret some of the things you said you also said this “I can promise you this: I will always tell you the truth” TRUMP: It’s true LAUER: So let me read some of the things you’ve said “I know more about ISIS than the generals do Believe me” Was that the truth TRUMP: Well the generals under Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have not been successful ISIS… LAUER: Do you know more about ISIS than they do TRUMP: I think under the leadership of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton the generals have been reduced to rubble They have been reduced to a point where it’s embarrassing for our country You have a force of 30000 or so people Nobody really knows But probably 30000 people And I can just see the great — as an example- General George Patton spinning in his grave as ISIS we can’t beat We had the greatest… (CROSSTALK) LAUER: Yeah you’ve said if we had MacArthur today or if we had Patton today we would not have ISIS that the rise of these military commanders that we have today they come up the chain of command and by the time they get to the top they’re too politically correct And we know that’s not a compliment coming from you Have you lost faith in the military commanders TRUMP: I have great faith in the military I have great faith in certain of the commanders certainly But I have no faith in Hillary Clinton or the leadership You look at what’s happened And you know when she comes in and starts saying oh I would have done this I would have — she’s been there for 30 years I mean we need change Matt We have to have it and we have to have it fast LAUER: Let’s go to Hallie Jackson in our crowd Hallie JACKSON: I’m with Phillip Clay (ph) who was a public affairs officer in the Marine Corps He spent a year in Anbar province in Iraq He left the military with the rank of captain service that inspired him to write a book He’s a Democrat and he has this question for you Mr Trump QUESTION: Mr Trump over the past 15 years a lot of US troops have bled and died securing towns and provinces from Iraq to Afghanistan only to have insurgent groups like ISIS spring back the moment we leave Now you’ve claimed to have a secret plan to defeat ISIS But you’re hardly the first politician to promise a quick victory and a speedy homecoming So assuming we do defeat ISIS what next What is your plan for the region to ensure that a group like them doesn’t just come back TRUMP: Sure I mean part of the problem that we’ve had is we go in we defeat somebody and then we don’t know what we’re doing after that We lose it like as an example you look at Iraq what happened how badly that was handled And then when President Obama took over likewise it was a disaster It was actually somewhat stable I don’t think could ever be very stable to where we should have never gone into in the first place But he came in He said when we go out — and he took everybody out And really ISIS was formed This was a terrible decision And frankly we never even got a shot And if you really look at the aftermath of Iraq Iran is going to be taking over Iraq They’ve been doing it And it’s not a pretty picture The — and I think you know — because you’ve been watching me I think for a long time — I’ve always said shouldn’t be there but if we’re going to get out take the oil If we would have taken the oil you wouldn’t have ISIS because ISIS formed with the power and the wealth of that oil LAUER: How were we going to take the oil How were we going to do that TRUMP: Just we would leave a certain group behind and you would take various sections where they have the oil They have — people don’t know this about Iraq but they have among the largest oil reserves in the world in the entire world And we’re the only ones we go in we spend $3 trillion we lose thousands and thousands of lives and then Matt what happens is we get nothing You know it used to be to the victor belong the spoils Now there was no victor there believe me There was no victor But I always said: Take the oil One of the benefits we would have had if we took the oil is ISIS would not have been able to take oil and use that oil… LAUER: Let me stay on ISIS… TRUMP: … to fuel themselves LAUER: Let me stay on ISIS When we’ve met in the past and we’ve talked you say things like I’m going to bomb the expletive out of them very quickly And when people like me press you for details like that gentleman just said on what your plan is you very often say I’m not going to give you the details because I want to be unpredictable TRUMP: Absolutely The word is unpredictable LAUER: But yesterday you actually told us a little bit about your plan in your speech You said this Quote “We’re going to convene my top generals and they will have 30 days to submit a plan for soundly and quickly defeating ISIS” So is the plan you’ve been hiding this whole time asking someone else for their plan TRUMP: No But when I do come up with a plan that I like and that perhaps agrees with mine or maybe doesn’t — I may love what the generals come back with I will convene… LAUER: But you have your own plan TRUMP: I have a plan But I want to be — I don’t want to — look I have a very substantial chance of winning Make America great again We’re going to make America great again I have a substantial chance of winning If I win I don’t want to broadcast to the enemy exactly what my plan is LAUER: But you’re going to… TRUMP: And let me tell you if I like maybe a combination of my plan and the generals’ plan or the generals’ plan if I like their plan Matt I’m not going to call you up and say “Matt we have a great plan” This is what Obama does “We’re going to leave Iraq on a certain day” LAUER: But you’re going to convene a panel of generals and you’ve already said you know more about ISIS than those generals do TRUMP: Well they’ll probably be different generals to be honest with you I mean I’m looking at the generals today you probably saw I have a piece of paper here I could show it 88 generals and admirals endorsed me today (CROSSTALK) LAUER: It’s a numbers game Hillary Clinton claims more numbers TRUMP: Well it’s not really — it’s not — yeah numbers People that have been losing for us for a long period of time I mean the fact is we have had the worst and you could even say the dumbest foreign policy Our results are so bad We would have been better off had we never ever spent $2 in that part of the world LAUER: You recently — you recently received two intelligence briefings TRUMP: Yes I did LAUER: Did anything in that briefing without going into specifics shock or alarm you TRUMP: Yes Very much so LAUER: Did you learn new things in that briefing TRUMP: First of all I have great respect for the people that gave us the briefings We — they were terrific people They were experts on Iraq and Iran and different parts of — and Russia But yes there was one thing that shocked me And it just seems to me that what they said President Obama and Hillary Clinton and John Kerry who is another total disaster did exactly the opposite LAUER: Did you learn anything in that briefing — again not going into specifics — that makes you reconsider some of the things you say you can accomplish like defeating ISIS quickly TRUMP: No I didn’t learn anything from that standpoint What I did learn is that our leadership Barack Obama did not follow what our experts and our truly — when they call it intelligence it’s there for a reason — what our experts said to do LAUER: Hallie TRUMP: And I was very very surprised In almost every instance And I could tell you I have pretty good with the body language I could tell they were not happy Our leaders did not follow what they were recommending LAUER: Hallie JACKSON: I’m with former Army Captain Sue Fulton who was a member of the First West Point class to include women She served as a signal corps officer in Germany (APPLAUSE) She’s a Democrat and she has this question for you Mr Trump QUESTION: Mr Trump TRUMP: Hi thank you very much QUESTION: Thank you Do you believe that an undocumented person who serves — who wants to serve in the US armed forces deserves to stay in this country legally TRUMP: I think that when you serve in the armed forces that’s a very special situation and I could see myself working that out absolutely LAUER: So she’s saying has already served in the armed forces or wants to serve plans to serve QUESTION: Plans to serve Plans to serve in the armed forces As you know under DACA we already have people who are undocumented who are serving TRUMP: I think military is a very special thing If they plan on serving if they get in I would absolutely hold those people — now we have to be very careful We have to vet very carefully Everybody would agree with that But the answer is it would be a very special circumstance yes Thank you LAUER: Thank you very much for your question Hallie you have another one JACKSON: I do Alex Gronkowski (ph) was an Army staff sergeant assigned in special operations He was stationed at Fort Bragg and was deployed to Afghanistan and other places across the Middle East He has not decided who he will vote for yet in November And you have a question for Mr Trump QUESTION: I do Mr Trump as you know tensions between the United States and Russia have been at the highest level since the Cold War In your first 120 days of presidency how would you de-escalate the tensions And more importantly what steps would you take to bring Mr Putin and the Russian government back to negotiating table TRUMP: I think I would have a very good relationship with many foreign leaders I think it’s very sad when you look at Barack Obama as an example lands Air Force One in China and they don’t want to put out stairs to get off the plane And he has to use the stairs that mechanics use to get up and down to fix the plane They wouldn’t give him stairs I think it’s very sad when he lands in Saudi Arabia and he lands in Cuba and there aren’t high officials to even greet him This is the first time in the history — the storied history of Air Force One I think I would have a very very good relationship with Putin And I think I would have a very very good relationship with Russia As I said take a look today Take a look at what happened with their fighter jets circling one of our aircraft in a very dangerous manner Somebody said less than 10 feet away This is hostility And I saw just two or three days ago they looked like they were not exactly getting along but I looked at President Obama and Putin staring at each other These were not two people that were getting along And you know the beautiful part of getting along Russia wants to defeat ISIS as badly as we do If we had a relationship with Russia wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could work on it together and knock the hell out of ISIS Wouldn’t that be a wonderful thing LAUER: Let me ask you about some of the things you’ve said about Vladimir Putin You said I will tell you in terms of leadership he’s getting an A our president is not doing so well And when referring to a comment that Putin made about you I think he called you a brilliant leader you said it’s always a great honor to be so nicely complimented by a man so highly respected within his country and beyond TRUMP: Well he does have an 82 percent approval rating according to the different pollsters who by the way some of them are based right here Look look… LAUER: He’s also a guy who annexed Crimea invaded Ukraine supports Assad in Syria supports Iran is trying to undermine our influence in key regions of the world and according to our intelligence community probably is the main suspect for the hacking of the DNC computers… (CROSSTALK) TRUMP: Well nobody knows that for a fact But do you want me to start naming some of the things that President Obama does at the same time LAUER: But do you want to be complimented by that former KGB officer TRUMP: Well I think when he calls me brilliant I’ll take the compliment OK The fact is look it’s not going to get him anywhere I’m a negotiator We’re going to take back our country You look at what’s happening to our country you look at the depleted military You look at the fact that we’ve lost our jobs We’re losing our jobs like we’re a bunch of babies We’re going to take back our country Matt The fact that he calls me brilliant or whatever he calls me is going to have zero impact LAUER: But the fact that you say you can get along with him do you think the day… TRUMP: I think I’d be able to get along with him LAUER: Do you think the day that you become president of the United States he’s going to change his mind on some of these key issues TRUMP: Possibly It’s possible I don’t know Matt It’s possible And it’s not going to have any impact If he says great things about me I’m going to say great things about him I’ve already said he is really very much of a leader I mean you can say oh isn’t that a terrible thing — the man has very strong control over a country Now it’s a very different system and I don’t happen to like the system But certainly in that system he’s been a leader far more than our president has been a leader We have a divided country We have a country where you have Hillary Clinton with her e-mails that nobody’s ever seen where she deletes 33000 e-mails and that’s after getting a subpoena from Congress If you do that in private business you get thrown in jail LAUER: Hallie JACKSON: Steve Korea (ph) here with me was in the Army Reserves and spent 10 months in Iraq right at the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom He is a Republican and has this question for you QUESTION: Good evening Mr Trump TRUMP: Hi QUESTION: I like what you say about supporting veterans and how they’re important But I haven’t heard what the actual plans are to continue that support beyond words How do you translate those words to action after you take office TRUMP: Well I love that question because I’ve been very close to the vets You see the relationship I have with the vets just by looking at the polls In fact today a poll came out And my relationship has been very good I have a very very powerful plan that’s on my website that you possibly saw One of the big problems is the wait time Vets are waiting six days seven days eight days And by the way Hillary Clinton six months ago said the vets are being treated essentially just fine there’s no real problem it’s over-exaggerated She did say that LAUER: No no she went on after that and laid out a litany of problems within the VA (CROSSTALK) TRUMP: Look I mean she made up half of the things she said about me I’m telling you this is — she said she was satisfied with what was going on in the Veterans Administration Now under my plan if you’ve got to wait — and by the way people are dying on line They’re dying waiting waiting to get to see a doctor They’re waiting five days and six days Under a part of my plan if they have that long wait they walk outside they go to the local doctor they choose the doctor they choose the hospital whether it’s public or private they get themselves better In many cases it’s a minor procedure or a pill or just a prescription And they end up dying because they can’t get to see the doctor We will pay the bill They go outside they get a doctor they get a prescription they do what they have to do and we pay the bill That is something that I have been praised — and by the way I never said take the VA — take the Veterans Administration private I wouldn’t do that Too much respect for our people I would never do that LAUER: OK TRUMP: I heard it was said that I said that I would not do that But I do believe — I do believe when you’re waiting in line for six seven days you should never be in a position like that You go out you see the doctor you get yourself taken care of LAUER: Hallie you’ve got another question JACKSON: I do Rachel Fredericks (ph) who specialized in aviations operations in the Marine Corps serving stateside she lost two friends to suicide And you now struggle yourself with PTSD She’s a Republican but leaning towards you still undecided a little bit Rachel you have a question for Mr Trump QUESTION: I do Mr Trump I wanted to ask what your plan will be to stop 20 veterans a day from killing themselves TRUMP: And actually it’s 22 And it’s almost impossible to conceive that this is happening in our country 20 to 22 people a day are killing themselves A lot of it is they’re killing themselves over the fact that they can’t — they’re under tremendous pain and they can’t see a doctor We’re going to speed up the process We’re going to create a great mental health division They need help They need help They need tremendous help And we’re doing nothing for them The VA is really almost you could say a corrupt enterprise If you look at what’s going on as an example Matt in Arizona where they caught people stealing and they can’t even do anything about it they can’t even fire the people So we are going to make it efficient and good And if it’s not good you’re going out to private hospitals public hospitals and doctors Thank you very much LAUER: Hallie one more JACKSON: Donald Day (ph) here who served as a radio operator in the Marine Corps in the Vietnam era He had tours of duty in Southeast Asia and in Europe He’s also a Democrat and has this question for you QUESTION: Mr Trump I have a daughter who is interested in joining the service but when she researched the military she saw the stats on sexual assault and decided not to go I have a concern about the rape of women in our armed forces As president what specifically would you do to support all victims of sexual assault in the military TRUMP: It’s a great question And it’s a massive problem The numbers are staggering hard to believe even But we’re going to have to run it very tight I at the same time want to keep the court system within the military I don’t think it should be outside of the military But we have to come down very very hard on that And your daughter is absolutely right it is a massive problem But we have to do something about that problem And the best thing we can do is set up a court system within the military Right now the court system practically doesn’t exist It takes too long LAUER: In 2013 on this subject you tweeted this quote “26000 unreported sexual assaults in the military only 238 convictions What did these geniuses expect when they put men and women together” TRUMP: Well it is — it is — it is a correct tweet There are many people that think that that’s absolutely correct And we need to have a… (CROSSTALK) LAUER: So this should have been expected And does that mean the only way to fix it is to take women out of the military TRUMP: Well it’s happening right And by the way since then it’s gotten worse No not to take them out but something has to be happen Right now part of the problem is nobody gets prosecuted You have reported and — the gentleman can tell you you have the report of rape and nobody gets prosecuted There are no consequence When you have somebody that does something so evil so bad as that there has to be consequence for that person You have to go after that person Right now nobody’s doing anything Look at the small number of results I mean that’s part of the problem LAUER: So many of the issues that we’ve talked about with you Mr Trump tonight and Secretary Clinton are so complex that even career military people and career diplomats and politicians have trouble getting their arms around them TRUMP: Right LAUER: You’ve had a very different background in business So nobody would expect you to have taken over the last 20 years really deep dives into some of these issues But I’m curious about what you’re doing now What kind of research are you doing now What kind of homework are you doing What kind of things are you reading as you prepare for the day in two months where you might be elected the next president of the United States TRUMP: Sure Well in the front row you have four generals You have admirals We have people all throughout the audience that I’m dealing with Right here is a list that was just printed today of 88 admirals and generals that I meet with and I talk to LAUER: How much time are you spending on this TRUMP: I’m also — a lot A lot And I’m doing a lot of different things Don’t forget we’re running a big campaign We’re doing very well I’m also you know and I’m very much giving it to my children and my executives to run I’m also partially running a business I’m campaigning I’m running a business I’ve got a lot of hats right now But we’re doing very well But in the meantime I am studying And I’m meeting constantly — you see — you see General Flynn and you see some of the folks that we have and they’re scattered throughout the audience So we have admirals we have generals we have colonels We have a lot of people that I respect And I think I’ve learned a lot But I think also I certainly — I really feel I have a common sense on the various issues that you’re talking about Matt LAUER: You said in the speech today you said history shows that when America is not prepared is when the danger is the greatest TRUMP: And we’re not prepared LAUER: Will you be prepared on day one if you’re elected president of the United States to tackle these complex national security issues TRUMP: One hundred percent Hey Matt again she made a mistake on Libya She made a terrible mistake on Libya And the next thing I mean not only did she make the mistake but then they complicated the mistake by having no management once they bombed you know what out of Gadhafi I mean she made a terrible mistake on Libya And part of it was the management aftereffect I think that we have great management talents great management skills LAUER: But you are prepared TRUMP: And I have to tell you — totally prepared But remember this I found this subject and these subjects of interest all of my life Matt This hasn’t been over the last 14 months I’ve found these substantiates of tremendous interest That’s why they were asking me about Iraq 14 years ago They were asking me these questions They don’t ask businesspeople those questions LAUER: Let me end in kind of the same place I started Have you given much thought Mr Trump if you’re elected president and commander-in-chief to that moment where you’re going to have to make that first decision that puts American men and women in harm’s way TRUMP: I think it’s the most difficult decision you can possibly ever make You’re talking about death And we’re talking death to not just our side We’re talking death all over I would be very very cautious I think I’d be a lot slower She has a happy trigger You look she votes for the wars she goes in Libya… (CROSSTALK) LAUER: Have you thought about personally the emotional burden of that moment TRUMP: I think it’s a tremendous burden I think there is no greater burden that anybody could have I’ve been preparing this for a long time And you know my theme is make America great again We’re going to make America great again But Matt we’ve also got to make America strong again And right now we are not strong Believe me We have a depleted military We have the greatest people in the world in our military But it is very sadly depleted LAUER: The Republican nominee for president of the United States Donald Trump TRUMP: Thank you Matt LAUER: Thank you (APPLAUSE) We’re going to be much — we’ll be back with much more from the Intrepid carrier on this Commander-in-Chief Forum right after this (COMMERCIAL BREAK) LAUER: There’s a lot of people we want to thank for making tonight a success the presidential nominees themselves Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump We want to thank the many veterans in our audience for their questions and most importantly for their service We want to thank our hosts at the IAVA the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America and of course the Intrepid Sea Air and Space Museum this amazing venue The first presidential debate will be held on September 26th right here on NBC It’ll be hosted by my colleague Lester Holt We hope you’ll tune in for that And more importantly we hope you get out and vote this November Nothing could be more important Thank you for joining us tonight For Matt Lauer — I’m Matt Lauer For all of us at NBC News we appreciate your tuning in (APPLAUSE) Contact us at editors@timecom heightening the Kremlin’s isolation You need an ideology that legitimates the model "You dont attack these specific targets based just on criminality if you 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